Can Democrats Retake Cap And Trade Debate?

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Earlier this week I posted about the reasons cap-and-trade isn't appealing to the American electorate. What I didn't go into were the possibilities that could change the game for cap-and-trade and its mostly Democratic supporters.

A new report from the Union of Concerned Scientists shows the kind of arguments they need to emphasize. It's full of concrete examples of costs Americans may have to pay for if nothing is done about climate change. Lexi Schultz, deputy director of the Climate Program at UCS, says "if we don't address global warming, you can imagine a cash register going 'ka-ching' all across the country." But the report also shows some of the difficulties with making economic appeals to voters to support climate-change legislation.

What are some examples of the "ka-ching" in the report?

California: Annual heat-related health costs could reach an estimated $14 billion by 2100, while rising ground-level ozone levels would boost medical bills by another $10 billion. The cost of protecting low-lying coastal property from sea level rise and the resulting storm surges, particularly around San Francisco Bay, would range from $6 billion to $30 billion annually by 2100.

There are plenty more examples in the full report, but one thing they have in common is the timeframe. They are all far-off scenarios that won't fully come to pass until toward the end of this century. That poses two problems for supporters of cap-and-trade and other forms of climate change control.

1. As Jimmy P pointed out, voters will always put the short-term costs before long-term costs.

2. I'm no climate scientist so I can't pass judgment on the accuracy of these predictions.  But it is hard for me to believe that anyone can guess with much reliability what the world will look like one hundred years down the road. I don't mean in terms of temperature predictions, but in terms of the level of technological development that will mitigate these potential costs of global warming. That's an x factor that can't be predicted, so it is not fully captured by the models of future costs.

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There is no Global Warming, there has been no Global Warming for over 10 years. Tempratures peaked in 1998 and has been heading straight down since at least 2005. Computer programs can't be taken as seriously as hard data and that data is against any Global Warming scenario.

John of WV 9:49AM September 14, 2009

bottom line: you need to look at it from a different economic angle because of the nature of the unpredictability of climate change.

A couple good resources:

http://www.globalproblems-globalsolutions-files.org/unf_website/PDF/articles/UNF_EC_TaleFatTail_KimbleTawney_0907.pdf

http://www.wri.org/stories/2009/08/climate-change-legislation-myths-and-reality

Michael of OH 3:09PM September 12, 2009

But perhaps we ought to have a LOT of debate on the advantages (if any) of "cap and trade". The cap part is fine. The "trade" part may be another colossal opportunity for a few in the financial world to "tax" individuals in an incredible scam if not regulated to the moon.

Think about $4.00 gas when oil was "traded" to $145 a barrel by "traders" who were neither producers nor users of oil. Why did that happen? How much do you want to pay in the price of everything for traders' activities in carbon credits?

Note, I'm not in line with garden-variety conservatives who distrust climate science and the government in general. I'm saying, DON'T LET FREE ENTERPRISE WHOLLY CAPTURE THE CONCEPT OF "CAP AND TRADE".

The likes of Goldman Sachs could very well eat your lunch (again) if you do. It's said that some there are salivating about this cap and trade thing even moreso than they were about the IPO craze of the late 1990s---when you were sold stocks of companies in a FRENZY that did not even have sales, let alone earnings.

Muser of NM 12:46PM September 11, 2009

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