How Tough Times Are Helping Women Get Ahead

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There is much pro feminism rhetoric on this web site. False rhetoric.
Fact: Women below approximately the age of 35 earn more (that's right MORE), than men of the same age group. Otherwise, for the same jobs, women are paid equally for the most part.
Fact: Women are given preference to men in hiring decisions in many organizations. The problem is that many women make the intentional decision not to pursue the same career paths as men. They take time off for child rearing (a decision, not a forced condition) and other items which often derail their careers.
Fact: Women want the opportunity to be breadwinners. That's fair and good. However, the vast majority of women have a problem dealing with that situation when it occurs in reality. I have worked on many divorce cases. It is a common scenario where the wife makes more than the man and the husband is fine with the situation. However, the woman eventually loses respect for the man, wants a "high status" male who earns more than them and then often cheats on the husband. The result is a divorce.
During the divorce proceedings men are routinely penalized for earning less than the wife but not given credit for their child rearing and home-making efforts.
Men - stay away from that situation!
Please research your facts before posting false information!
Feminism has grabbed the agenda in this argument and continually puts forth false facts. And yes,feminism is often used just as an excuse for one individual to hurt another.

Actuality of ME 12:01PM April 07, 2011

There is plenty of data out there about women and men's earnings, how women are paid less. It is not whinning or the use of feminism to hurt others. Speaking the truth, facts about how women and men have different opportunities is just information. Some people filter it through their brains as attacks on me. Some peopole are threatened by the changing position of breadwinners. I see this rise in women's earnings as a balancing out of some of the pay inequity. This pay inequity can cost a woman and her family over a million dollars, on average, over the course of her working years. More information and research needs to be done on these differences and the issues that effect pay inequality, and other issues related to men and women. It's sad to see some people are so threatened by women getting a little more, may I say, well deserved power and position in the world.

L Merritt of ME 7:42PM April 06, 2011

A lot of people including those over 50 are looking for work and settling for…any kind of work. They may be overqualified for the job but they need income. Of course cashflow is important but think big. Try a new field…something that utilizes your natural gift and rewards you for your efforts. Sometimes things you’ve done as hobbies work well as a source of income because it is somewhat effortless. Go and get training, do an internship or get with a firm that will train you for your new position. Whether you work for a firm or start a business in the field you’ve dreamed of…go for it.
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Marilyn D Pulliam of IL 3:30PM April 06, 2011

Can you provide data that shows women receive less pay than men? What jobs pay less than men?
I work in compensation, I don't see any evidence of this. I think this is a tired, well worn argument that can't be made today.

Joe of PA 1:37PM April 06, 2011

The comment from Girl Power makes the exact point that women are more bigoted than men - both sexist and hostile towards those of the opposite gender.
Feminism is nothing more than an excuse to hurt other people.
When will women get past using the excuse of their gender to harm innocent people?

Truth Teller of NY 1:08PM April 06, 2011

The comment from Girl Power makes the exact point that women are more bigoted than men - both sexist and hostile towards those of the opposite gender.
Feminism is nothing more than an excuse to hurt other people. An excuse to express bigotry.
When will women get past using the excuse of their gender to harm innocent people?

A female of NY 1:07PM April 06, 2011

Women should have more say about how the world is run. With men in charge, we have had terrible money problems with our Government, our country, and war after war after war.. Put someone in there who does 5 things at once, all day, every day, and accomplishes it... a WOMAN!
PS Hey, Andrew- it's not about women all the time. We do the same work, alot of times better, and STILL don't recieve the same pay as men. I grew up in a family of with 4 boys, who say, "It's a man's world- get used to it!" Well, men have really screwed up this country and world over the years, so move over- HERE WE COME!

GIRL POWER of OH 12:35PM April 06, 2011

Andrew Regan is completely correct. Men are often forced into less than desirable jobs because the better positions and industries are dominated by women.
Women have the advantage even in the executive suite. Most larger companies have proactive programs to promote female executives. The government and legal system has protections for women.
White males are the only group where it is both legal and politically correct to discriminate against.
What about all those CEOs of Fortune 500 companies that are male? That is an utterly irrelevant statistic when the average male's career is considered. It is a red herring. The average working male has as much in common career-wise as an alien from Mars.
The social environment is hostile to men.

Truth Teller of NY 12:04PM April 06, 2011

There is some validity to both sides, however, if women are the main income in the family home, the other half definitely needs to pick up the pace otherwise , the breadwinner, ie: female, again gets the shaft as she is not only the breadwinner but manages the rest of the home as well, so she has double the work, while Mr. Right slides to home again. Witnessed this many times over the last several yrs to several women which is just another set up for their female counterpart. And, yes, I have seen female chauvanism grow which is disturbing as rather then learning from mistakes, the same mistake is being made. It is complicated and again something needed to be done to break the male domination problem but any system has room for abuse and as a universe we should channel energies into improvement as a whole. Hopefully humanity, not greed, rises to the challenge.

pam of MN 11:46AM April 06, 2011

Susan is nothing more than a chauvinist. And women make the meanest chauvinists. Since I entered the workforce over thirty years ago, it has been all about girls and women - all the time. Men's jobs are termed male dominated but, in fact, they are female rejected. Women own industries outright. Publishing, advertising, public relations, property management, nursing, medical support, human resources, administrate support and the list goes on and on.
Men get tripped up making their first steps into the business world. When they apply to employment agencies, they are the ones that are forced into the factories, warehouses and non-training grunt work. You put assistant, associate or coordinator after or before the title and its going to a woman. A woman gets to work in the office where she gets better training, pay and advancement opportunities. And of course, every company is concerned with how many women are at the top. No company or college is worried if there are no men at all. And when you refuse to do this grunt labor, the agency just doesn't call and says that you just don't want to work. The only other way for men is to specialize to overcome the female support club. And its a lot harder and requires a lot more sacrifice to program a computer than to type on one. And even those "successful men" are now pigeonholed into a specialty.
Men will get no help from all the female centric agencies that are supposed to protect all our rights. The EEOC , corporate diversity departments and state agencies are focused on women. Colleges and the family are also female dominated and women receive so much more financial and emotional support than men. Too many mothers measure their success only with how well their daughter is doing. Mothers are the first to make sure her daughter's education is paid for while her sons just have to fend for themselves.
Its time for the media to end the "selfless, over achieving woman" myth and realize that all you have done is to trip up men for the last thirty years. It is time for men to protect ourselves against female chauvinist hogs in government, education and corporate America.
Susan blaming men for their egos is the sexist equivalent for "it must be her time of the month", it has nothing to do with our egos or our testosterone, it has everything to do with a female dominated society.
You can start with the next time your young daughter says that boys are so immature. Instead of moms smiling proudly, they should be scolding their daughters to stop acting like a sexist and to treat boys with respect. Most women can even think that fairly.

Andrew Regan of NC 11:20AM April 06, 2011