3 Home Mortgage Refinancing Nightmares

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Just a few months ago, my wife and I talked about how much money we were going to save by refinancing our 6 percent fixed-rate mortgage down to 4.25 percent interest. A few years earlier, we would have been crazy to think that we could refinance our mortgage loan from 6 percent to an even lower rate. But the chance to find a better mortgage rate was one of a few bright spots in the U.S. real estate market's dreary past three years. Lenders were forced to offer refinancing deals with 50-year-low interest rates in order to stay in business, and we wanted our piece of the savings that many other Americans were getting.

We didn't know at the time, but the process of trying to refinance our mortgage would prove to be a tiring and frustrating experience. It sounded so easy in the beginning: just fill out the typical paperwork, get another appraisal, pay some closing costs and mortgage fees, and we'd save around $250 a month on our monthly mortgage payment. As expected, the paperwork wasn't a big deal.

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But the next seemingly simple step became a surprisingly difficult challenge: another appraisal. Like so many other people, we believed that our home must be worth more than we owed after two years of payments and a significant upfront down payment, especially considering that we bought the house for $70,000 less than the list price. It turned out that we were way off. The appraisal came in at a value of $30,000 less than what we owed. We fought the comparison set that the appraiser used—and then we fought some more—but we got nowhere and realized that getting our mortgage refinanced wasn't going to happen.

Unfortunately, this experience has been an all-too-common one that many Americans have faced during the housing market debacle, something I learned when I recently decided to seek out more refinancing horror stories from everyday people like me. Sure enough, I quickly found that I wasn't alone in my frustration. Interestingly, I found three common themes in people's refinancing nightmares:

1. Low Appraisals

Tracy from Central Mississippi, whose experience was closest to mine, describes the difficult obstacle she faced: "My husband and I tried to refinance over a year ago. He's self-employed, and we'd never had a late payment. We weren't struggling to pay our current loan, but we wanted to lower the number of years left and take the opportunity to lower our interest rate. We contacted Quicken Loans, paid a $500 appraisal fee, and they sent an appraiser out. After he returned with a low appraisal, we were turned down."

On the initial assessment, the appraiser did not like an added structure on the property—not yet converted into a mother-in-law suite—and Tracy believes the home's appraised value suffered because of the structure. Tracy begged and pleaded Quicken Loans to return for another appraisal where she could also help allay some of the concerns about the home. Not only did the appraiser decline to re-evaluate the property, but Quicken Loans also refused to return the $500 appraisal fee. Fortunately, while Tracy and her husband couldn't avoid the stressful ordeal of a cripplingly low appraisal, eventually a local bank refinanced their mortgage in December 2010.

2. Irregular Income

Even if you don't face appraisal aggravation, your road to refinancing can have plenty of other obstacles now that banks have tightened their underwriting guidelines. Todd from Orange County, California explains: "When we first applied for a mortgage refinance with Wells [Fargo], the agent suggested using an outside approval service for our application under the Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP). This was because I am self-employed, so I couldn't provide pay stubs."

An insulting, but common, start to the refinancing nightmare is finding out that even though you may be making steady money, your lack of proper income records means you may not be approved. Moreover, even if you are successfully self-employed or operate a small business and have adequate bookkeeping records, if you don't have at least two years of documented income history, lenders won't deem your income "steady" enough. As a result, successful freelancers and small business owners can face extreme trials and tribulations in attempts to refinance or obtain new loans. Overall, it can be very difficult to get a mortgage when you're self-employed.

3. Ineligible Income

Continuing on with this theme of "unacceptable income," Melanie from Philadelphia described to me one of the most unbelievable refinancing nightmares I've ever heard. She collects a steady income from a long-term severance package and has over two million dollars in retirement assets. She explains her story: "While I'm currently looking for work, thinking about starting a small business, and expecting to be re-employed in some capacity in the very near future, the new refinancing rules don't allow lenders to count my current severance income (full salary until next summer) or my retirement assets (just shy of two million dollars) in their calculations as income."

As you can see, even people with extremely high net worths are struggling to refinance their mortgages! There's no greater refinancing shock than knowing you have money, having a regular check come in, and supposedly still not having enough valid earned income to qualify for a mortgage refinance or new loan.

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Final Word

If Melanie's assets couldn't justify approval for refinancing, it had to be nearly hopeless for people just starting out like us. At least in my situation, I stopped fighting the appraiser once I knew that reconsideration was out of the question. I could have obtained a second opinion, but it would have cost an additional $400 or $500 for another appraisal. It just wasn't worth it to me. I didn't want to dig myself into a deeper hole.

Refinancing is still a feasible option for many homeowners, but as rates keep inching higher, taking on the ordeal is less desirable than it was four or five months ago, when even people like me with a 6 percent fixed rate wanted to refinance. Be sure to carefully weigh the pros and cons before entering the challenging world of refinancing.

Do you have any refinancing nightmare stories? Did refinancing work out for you? Share them in the comments, and let us know how you were able to overcome the obstacles—or if you were forced to give up.

Erik Folgate, a homeowner who lives in Florida with his wife and baby son, is a contributor to the Money Crashers personal finance blog, where he discusses topics such as government and economic policy, and provides tips for getting out of debt and improving your financial fitness.

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We tried getting a refi done with wells fargo on a 4-plex income property that we've had for 10 years. The original loan was also with wells fargo. Long story short we wanted a 15yr loan since the balance on the loan was really low compared to the value of the property.

They ordered the appraisal and the property came in at about 455,000 and we owed less than 239,000.We were very clear from the get go that we wanted the 15 yr for the lower rate, and about a month later they sent us documents for a 30 yr approval.

We refused the 30yr because we thought that was shady. We told them we wanted the 15 yr and that we're not going to walk away from 200k in equity so no worries, for us it was a no brainer. I figured with 10 years of steady on time payments and all that equity that it'd be a no brainer for them as well. If they're underwriter couldn't see this was a good and secure loan then they aren't very good at their job.

They went on about debt to income ratio and blah blah blah and this went back and forth for months until finally the appraisal was no longer valid since its only good for 120 days. So all that for nothing and a 1000 dollars down the drain. We will never deal with wells fargo again!!! Does anyone know if there's a way to get a refund for the appraisal? Maybe a gov agency that investigates things like this? Any help would be appreciated.

C N of AK 6:15PM May 15, 2013

We were equally surprised that we had trouble refinancing this last year. We had salary income in excess of $100K, and pension/401K/social security income to boot, NO short term debt (no car payments, no credit card balances -- pay them off each month), FICOs at 800+, retirement assets of over a million, several mortgages paid off (with NO late payments along the way), several properties owned F&C (worth in the aggregate over half a million), and 45+ years of credit history for each of us. For the property we were seeking to refi (existing mortgage at 4.5%, but we wanted to lower the interest rate), we had an appraisal showing that the principal amount would give a loan-to-value to refi (no cash out) of less than 65% (and they made the appraiser go back 3 times, apparently to try to force her to underappraise the property). We said from the outset we DIDN'T want to "finance in" points or closing costs -- and we had to supply almost 100 pages of bank/investment account statements indicating that we had enough money on hand to pay the closing costs. We started the process in June, finally got it closed in early December -- and then, only because we agreed to refi as an "investment property" at a higher interest rate. The reason for THAT was because one of us is semi-retired and the other works at a job -- same job for more than 4 years -- that requires moving around the country and working at the clients' site for several weeks to several months at a time, so they said our home, which we have owned for more than 10 years (and is located in my spouse's home state, where he was born, raised, attended school, and worked for years before retiring), did not qualify as our principal residence and we could not refinance (even though the existing loan was as our principal residence) except as an "investment property"! We got THAT news about 6 months into the process (and I think they hoped that would shoo us off ... but we preservered and indeed did finally obtain a loan on this "investment property" at 3.5%). All this hassle, to be allowed the privilege of paying a couple hundred a month LESS in payments than we have been making all along! Personally, I am convinced that the lenders want to do everything possible to AVOID lending to good credit risks and folks who are likely to keep the loan for awhile -- they do not want to tie their money up that way -- but meanwhile, they want to keep piling on one ridiculous condition after another and stringing people along so they can extract the maximum amount of fees. I agree, where's John Stossel or 60 minutes when you really need 'em?

T R of TX 8:24PM March 23, 2013

My husband and I each have a 780 credit score, we own a vacation home (it is completely paid for, zero mortgage) and enough investments to pay off our home several times over. Just another vote for 'imagine our surprise' when we learned that - despite my husband's steady paycheck for the last 10 years from a corporation you'd recognize - since I am self-employed in a small "hobby" portraiture business, that we weren't considered a worthy credit risk. Our local credit union strung us along for months, demanding increasing amounts of paperwork and information - until we finally realized we were likely just not going to get the loan.

This is absolutely insane. No wonder the real estate market is still at the bottom when even people who are clearly perfectly solid credit risks can't get a loan.

Jean Wilson of TN 12:58PM September 04, 2012

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