Analyst: Great Depression Comparisons Are Bunk

February 11, 2009 RSS Feed Print

Lots of headlines these days are comparing the current economic crisis to the Great Depression--even Obama said in a speech this week that this "is an economic crisis as deep and as dire as any since the Great Depression." Morgan Stanley's global economics team begs to differ:

...the comparisons are misplaced. The GD lasted almost four years, with US real GDP and the price level falling by almost 30% and the unemployment rate rising to 25%.  Importantly, the GD was due to a series of policy mistakes: monetary and fiscal policy were passive, and governments started a trade war. Now, monetary and fiscal policy are hyperactive, and a trade war will probably be avoided. The Fed allowed US money supply to contract by close to 40% during the GD as it didn’t rein in bank failures and was restrained by the gold standard and ideology. The GD ended when President Roosevelt abandoned the gold standard and stabilised the banking system. Now, central banks are pumping large amounts of money into the banking system and the economy. This, together with the coming fiscal stimulus, is the main argument against a repeat of the Great Depression.

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No one who is critical of this stimulus package is willing to look at the timeline. Roosevelt didn't come to office until years after the fall. This time the spending is going to get a better start and much better chance to stem this now!

Charles of FL 10:20AM February 15, 2009

The Great Depression was caused by the rapid destruction of unsustainable levels of debt created during the previous decade. The debt supported leveraged malinvestment in paper assets, especially in the stock market.

The situation is similar today in that huge amounts of debt combined with dangerous amounts of leverage went into speculation on real estate or derivatives based on real estate. The debt is now starting to default, except for the debt held in politically connected banks such as Citibank, JP Morgan, and Goldman Sachs which is backstopped by the U.S. taxpayers future income (borrowing, money-printing).

Comparing the unemployment rate then and now is comparing apples to oranges in that women were not a significant part of the labor force back then, so the denominator in the 1930's figure was smaller back then, thus the unemployment figure of 25% is lower in today's terms. Also, the unemployment numbers released today do not count the underemployed, those who give up looking for a job, or those who no longer collect unemployment. The BLS U-6 figure of 15.4% is closer to the true unemployment rate. In other words, the unemployment numbers are closer than at first glance.

The main difference between now and back then is that during the 1930's the U.S. was the world's biggest creditor, now the U.S. is the world's largest debtor. To finance the stimulus, the U.S. can only beg other nations for money or print money. Printing money ("quantitative easing") can spur hyperinflation in the long run, so the U.S. gameplan is to beg for money from foreign nations. This means the Treasury Secretary Geithner who is fluent in Chinese has to beg them for money. China will want free trade in return, so that they can have full employment at home, destroy the manufacturing base of the U.S., and weaken the U.S./U.K. influence on the global financial scene.

Rubik of NY 4:56PM February 14, 2009

the economy of Los Angeles has started to collapse due to lack of liquidity in the entertainment industry...I am sure that all of the unemployed people here and all of the shops, they no longer support which are now closing, will be happy to hear this reassuring source tell them with such trustworthy authority, that it is not really happening.

tara Dass of CA 4:24AM February 13, 2009

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