How to Design a System to Frustrate Job Seekers

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Perhaps the unemployed need to spil some CEO/CFO blood of companies that refuse to hire or even consider the unemployed !! After all the media reported that the unemployed are at the same stress level as the Armed forces personnel that have been in Iraqi and Afghanistan.

Jeremy of PA 4:09PM August 05, 2010

I remember when I applied for my first job. The age of the internet was just starting to take hold of us--Netscape required winsock--so you actually had to know what you were doing in order to get on-line. Because of that, we still had to literally "pound the pavement" in order to find a job. Jobs were usually posted on a board outside of the human resources office or could be heard through a job line you had to call. If you found one that struck your fancy and were qualified for, you went in-person to the prospective employer and asked for an application. An actual human being could give you the once-over the same way you gave their establishment and decide whether or not to hand over a hard-copy application that had to be filled out by hand. Resumes and cover letters were welcome, but not necessarily needed since the job applications were pretty extensive in and of themselves, at least in my experiences.

This process seems slow and clunky in today's fast-paced, on-demand society, but when I see incompetent people with stable incomes (or even worse, in positions of power), it's like a listening to a joke (one that was not funny int he first place) over and over again. I feel this extra bit of inconvenience might actually pay off in the long run in the form of a competent, qualified work force that actually puts in the necessary effort needed to produce a quality product or benefit the employer. Sure, it might eat into complacent office staff myspace or facebook time, but those are exactly the people that need to be replaced! As the system is currently, quality and progress are never going to come about because the bar has been set so impossibly high, those that are capable are put off by the inordinate and excessively intrusive applications. Meanwhile the phonies and idiots brazenly walk right under it and into a job (by being "innovative" and "thinking outside of the box"). Further complicating matters are alleged budget constraints make it cheaper to outsource the data-aphid work needed to screen out potential hires to either Bangalore or an algorithm as opposed to a human resident in the location of the job. Quantity counts while quality has been replaced by planned obsolescence because it's cheaper. People have been reduced to living in fear of being replaced as quick as an empty tube of toothpaste with their talent and life squeezed out by an system that only knows the price of everything and the value of nothing either because it is stupid (remember, garbage in = garbage out) or simply does not care.

Yes, I am writing this in frustration as a bilingual, educated, well-traveled unemployed individual who just received a rejection notice stating I wasn't qualified enough to be a utility laborer. Anyone think maybe this is a good time to bring back apprenticeships?

Jay Dead of WA 3:42PM August 03, 2010

I whole heartedly agree with Kim of Ohio. WHAT IS THE DEAL OUT THERE? I know I AM a good person with LOTS to offer. 20+ months of no employment is not funny. Too many of us in the boat and it's SINKING...quickly.

Susan of TX 9:34AM August 03, 2010

Have you ever noticed that in a public social venue such as a restaurant or bar, even the most unattractive woman with little to offer from the quick glance could attract attention and potential suitors?

Employment market places are no different. Poor job descriptions, or templtes put together by computer software with $10/hour clerks responsible for weeding in/out candidates and underqualified hiring managers asking asinine questions during a pre-screen phone interview. Sound familiar?

Problem is, everyone wants to feel sexy and wanted. Companies are the same, even if they are absolute slobs sitting at the bar. And sadly enough, because most of us need a job and have bills to pay, we will approach that woman and have to deal with absolute nonsense whether she was a dream girl or not. The same happens in pursuit of jobs.

Corey W of CA 9:44AM July 31, 2010

this would be funny if it were not so true. i am also one of those frustrated people who have been searching for a job for almost 2 years. i have encountered all of these scenarios already and if it were not for the fact that i have no income whatsoever, i would have given up the search long ago. i am to the point that i feel like i am searching in vain for a job that does not exist for me and possibly never will. i have a college degree and anywhere from 5 to 7 years experience in several different skilled areas, but so far none of this has been enough to even help me get a minimum wage job at a local fast food restaurant. it is not like i have been very picky about where i have applied nor have i overlooked very many job opportunities. i have even traveled some to find a job (that usually gets me a rejection saying i live too far away though) it is like they have a rejection for everything.

this list left out other things a lot of companies are using as excuses not to hire people - some are saying you need a good credit score for their version of minimum wage jobs, and others are simply rejecting people based on the fact that they are currently unemployed. still there are others (the ones who want applicants to fill out online applications mostly) who do not even bother reading your application or resume and just quickly scan it for keywords. i really do not know what is wrong with these employers, or if there is something so terribly wrong with me that they feel i do not deserve a chance to try to make a living for myself in order to survive. i am starting to think i would just be better off putting a gun to my head and pulling the trigger and ending it all right now since i am obviously not worthy of even a basic income.

unemployment only goes so far and for some people such as myself i never drew any unemployment. you can try to turn to the government to get a little help, but if you do not have kids, or in my case, are unable to have kids, then you are once again out of luck.

kim of OH 4:04AM July 22, 2010

i am another frustrated job seeker, wondering what to do ? ive been sending out resumes into the great void of the web and wonder why theres no companies offering living wages anymore?

when i do get one GROUP interview ,its demeaning and and unbelieveable that companies consider this a way to find good employees. to sit in a room and hear out of work job seekers trying to up the next one ....this is what we've come to?

it seems at interviews the answers are never right, its never enough experience, or never enough smile or enthusiasm.

its very dishearting to send out resumes and get no reply or scams.

i've rewritten, redressed and rethought myself over and over to point of lower esteem.

my old job went bankrupt and finding some job thats even close to helping me pay bills seems impossible. i was just doing a temp job , and everyone of us said the job saved us, but now what?

it seems the companies now dont want reliable, intelligent people , they just want unthinking robots for so many minimum wage dead end jobs. i only see this trend getting worse with no way to support myself.

cl pyle of NY 9:31PM July 20, 2010

I am one of those really frustrated job seekers! I have been searching for a new job for over two years. I wish I had a dollar for everytime I have redone my resume, changed the way I dress etc, etc. I wish I had the hours back that I spent researching a prospective new company only to find out they were not worth my time, gas or effort at the interview.

It seems to me, that no matter what website you go to, one day they are telling you to do this, don't do that and the next they are telling to do something else. No wonder people are getting frustrated and giving up searching. It is ok if you are drawing unemployment while you are looking for that new job, but when that unemployment runs out, as mine has, it sheds a whole different light on using the internet for a job search....back to the pavement sounds like a new way....While I have been plugging away at my computer, someone else is probably getting that job I need. Looks like the only job "security" is writing articles for the job search websites...

Linda of SC 8:05PM July 19, 2010

Re: "Inflating the job requirements would be easy. For example, we can put “Three years of experience required,” in all of our recruitment notices for entry-level positions. We can also require degrees when they aren’t really needed."

Apply anyways. I suspect this is a ploy to discriminate (hey, it's in writing that you do not meet minimal requirements!), but to be able to legally do it, then (cough cough) "bend" the rules when they think someone is suitable without those requirements.

Or, they're trying to get you to accept less pay, because hey, you're lucky you were considered (cough cough).

Re: "Yes, I just want to piggyback on Mary’s ideas and suggest that we use some tests that don’t closely relate to the actual performance of the job."

Yes, the old honesty and integrity tests, where they really (wink wink) want people to be 100% honest and never ever ever flat out tell a client that they're misbehaving and demanding (seriously, of course you never tell a client who is being obnoxious what you really think...duh).

Those tests weed IN people who can manipulate them (and if you can't, you are dumb as rocks), as well as those who are seriously so honest, they're going to be THE most gullible, naive, and...well...dumb as rocks employees you've EVER hired.

And of course, these companies are headed up by Ivy League grads in many cases. Go figure.

Glad I'm Employed of IL 12:01AM July 19, 2010

Elizabeth,

Your story hit home. I've seen so many situations where the real requirements of the job were secondary considerations. As one person put it, "Work it may, shine it must!"

Thanks again.

Michael

Michael Wade of AZ 3:15PM July 16, 2010

Thanks Michael for my morning chuckle. If you don't laugh, it'll make you cry.

I had a relatively short career at a major oil company - arriving as part of a smaller agricultural biotech lab that was sold from a biopharamaceutical company.

One of my tasks was to help hire summer students to help us plant, spray, weed, and assess small agricultural field trials. This threatened one of the oil company minor execs who felt it was his job. His argument was that I hadn't taken the training on hiring and was unqualified to interview people according to the protocol.

Protocol involved asking weird questions that as you stated had no bearing on the job. After this guy and the bigger exec fought it out for dominance, the (similarly untrained ;D) agronomist and I successfully interviewed summer students by conversing with them and asking a few questions we felt would give us an idea of whether they were personable, independent, seemed to care about having the job, and were able to think their way through a situation in a logical fashion. We didn't even care if they could drive a tractor - bonus if they could, but something we could teach fairly readily.

I think it helped that I had no background in agriculture when the company put a number of us lab rats into the field with the agronomist to plant. I was able to do "my" end of things with the seeds prior to planting AND although initially unfamiliar with planting procedures was able to take a look around and get things like fertilizer and equipment ready for the agronomist when it was required.

One of my other lab colleagues was completely adrift and needed constant supervision and instruction. Our goal when hiring was to not hire a guy like that! It was a successful strategy based on the real requirements of the job.

Elizabeth Campbell Duke 11:55AM July 16, 2010

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