Would a Second Stimulus Create Jobs?

The first one was supposed to help with employment. What could a second do better?

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While murmured calls for a new stimulus package have not quite transformed into a movement, the din is loud enough that the White House has issued multiple responses that basically amount to "no, not yet." But Americans are stumbling through a job market that is overwhelmed with supply, stripped of security, and skimmed of hours and benefits, and the unemployment rate has already climbed much higher than officials had forecast. So, the real question is, what could a second Obama administration stimulus do that the first one couldn't? To answer that, it's necessary to know how the first $787 billion package has disappointed.

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An overly optimistic forecast: The goal of the first Obama stimulus was job preservation and creation, through instruments such as infrastructure spending and expanded jobless benefits. In a report the administration used to make its case for the stimulus, White House economists forecast unemployment rates cresting at 8 and 9 percent—with and without the stimulus package, respectively. But they included a brief endnote: "Forecasts of the unemployment rate without the recovery plan vary substantially. Some private forecasters anticipate unemployment rates as high as 11 percent in the absence of action."

Today, everyone knows they would have done better to have used the most pessimistic forecasts in their calculations. The unemployment rate has hit 9.5 percent with the stimulus, and employers are still cutting jobs. Vice President Joe Biden has said the administration "misread how bad the economy was."

Where the first stimulus went wrong: While the successes or failures of the first stimulus package may never be objectively measurable, critics charge that it has parceled out money too slowly and included projects of debatable merit when it comes to job creation. Harvard University economist and former Reagan adviser Martin Feldstein maintains that the money could have done more. "In the first stimulus, only about 25 percent was government spending," Feldstein says. "The other 75 percent [was] transfers to individuals, temporary tax cuts, or transfers to government. These had much less impact on GDP. If the nearly $800 billion dollars had been spent effectively, it would have done much more."

Economist Paul Krugman has long insisted the first Obama stimulus was simply not large enough to compensate for the drop in gross domestic product. Dean Baker, codirector of the liberal Center for Economic Policy Research, shares that view. "I think the big problem was size," Baker says. "I don't doubt for a moment we'd be in a worse situation [without it] . . . but the order of magnitude just wasn't there."

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What another could look like: Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, who is chairman of the National Governors Association, told Congress last week that he would like to see a second stimulus devoted entirely to infrastructure. "It's what produces jobs and produces orders for factories, American factories," Rendell said. Obama economic adviser Laura Tyson has also said a new stimulus would be best focused on infrastructure.

Others would pack projects into a second package that were dropped from the first. But Baker is skeptical that a package of the previous stimulus's leftovers would be particularly effective. Instead, he suggests immediate relief to strapped state and local governments and more creative moves, such as subsidies to lower the cost of mass-transit rides, which would increase use of public transportation and put cash in the hands of riders, who tend to be disproportionately lower-income (and more likely to spend their relief immediately). Also, a tax credit for employers who give paid time off to existing employees might help beef up hiring, as employers increase their payrolls to compensate for employees working fewer hours.

The downside of a second package: The Congressional Budget Office forecasts a $1.85 trillion deficit for the fiscal year—a figure that gives many economists (and Americans) pause. Feldstein says he is not in favor of a second stimulus because it would boost the national debt, increasing the burden on taxpayers and possibly pushing long-term interest rates higher. Higher interest rates would constrain business expansion and economic growth—not exactly the goal of a stimulus. (Krugman, for his part, is suspect of the position that a second stimulus would create a real debt problem for the country. "Does anyone really think that, say, another $500 billion in borrowing would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?" he says.)

The most obvious argument against a second stimulus is the fact that the vast bulk of the $787 billion stimulus has still not been spent. For example, as of Thursday morning, the Agency for International Development had $5.3 million available and about $400,000 paid out so far. The Department of Energy had $7.9 billion available and less than $300 million paid out. The Department of Transportation had about $21 billion available and a bit less than $700 million paid out.

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Stimulus spending is expected to speed up over the summer. And infrastructure spending was never expected to be an immediate job creator because "shovel-ready" projects are rare; it takes time for most projects to ramp up. The president insists it's premature to talk about another stimulus, and there seems a case to be made for some patience.

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There's nothing that will bring jobs back to America. So long as corporations control politicians and corporations see profit in hiring the cheapest labor for ONE TENTH the cost of an American worker, this will keep happening. A Ford factory worker in the U.S. makes between $15 and $30 per HOUR. A Ford factory worker in China makes $9 per DAY.

Every year, a quarter to a third of China's college graduates (that's about 1.5 to 2 million people with degrees) can't find jobs. When they do, the salary is under $400/month. No wonder a Rutgers University study of Americans who graduated college between 2006 and 2010 found that only 53% of them were at a full time job - the rest unemployed, working part-time, or in grad school (despite many graduate students not able to find work either). Even the ones who did find a job, over 50% said they were at a job that DID NOT REQUIRE A DEGREE.

Up-skilling doesn't work when everyone else is up-skilling, too. You are delusional if you think our science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) graduates can find jobs at rates like they used to. A lot of the other countries are up-skilling their workers faster than we are. They graduate MILLIONS of students every year from college. Those students are happy to make less than $400/month and work at an overseas R&D facility, being directed over the Internet.

Just a few years ago, a company that I worked for, laid off just 10 QA and Engineering folks paid between $70k and $100k, and used the money to open an R&D center in India staffed with some 30+ people, AND had more than half the money left over as savings. In India, doctors there are typing up medical transcriptions for doctors here displacing American medical transcriptionists who tend to be stay-at-home moms making ends meet, lawyers are doing contract review and document review that used to be the staple of young lawyers and those not from the best schools without good connections, and accountants are doing tax returns for Ernst & Young.

Meanwhile, in America, up to a third of high school students fail to graduate. That's 1.2 million students who become a drain on the social welfare system after over $10,000 average spent on per pupil per year by school districts. (classroom, facilities, teachers, administrators, support staff). But hey, even the ones who do graduate, it turns out a lot of them are functionally illiterate anyway.

You can blame Obama or the Democrats, or Bush or the Republicans all you want. But that won't change the truth. They ALL are to blame for pandering to the special interests and corporations that pretend to wave the flag but in reality prefer profits over patriotism. This has been going on for decades now, and we are now seeing the end results.

All the blame-gaming makes me think about two rats in a ship, fighting each other and trying to score points while the ship slowly sinks from holes bashed in by the captain and his crew in red and blue.

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XX of CA 6:41AM July 11, 2011

There's nothing that will bring jobs back to America. So long as corporations control politicians and corporations see profit in hiring the cheapest labor for ONE TENTH the cost of an American worker, this will keep happening. A Ford factory worker in the U.S. makes between $15 and $30 per HOUR. A Ford factory worker in China makes $9 per DAY.

Even a quarter to a third of China's college graduates (that's about 1.5 to 2 million people with degrees) can't find jobs. When they do, the salary is under $400/month. No wonder a Rutgers University study of Americans who graduated college between 2006 and 2010 found that only 53% of them were at a full time job - the rest unemployed, working part-time, or in grad school (despite many graduate students not able to find work either). Even the ones who did find a job, over 50% said they were at a job that DID NOT REQUIRE A DEGREE.

Up-skilling doesn't work when everyone else is upskilling, too. You are delusional if you think our science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) graduates can find jobs like they used to. A lot of the other countries are up-skilling their workers faster than we are. They graduate MILLIONS of students every year from college, and those students are happy to make less than $400/month and work at an overseas R&D facility, being directed over the Internet.

Just a few years ago, a company that I worked for, laid off just 10 QA and Engineering folks paid between $70k and $100k, and used the money to open an R&D center in India staffed with some 30+ people, AND had more than half the money left over as savings. In India, doctors there are typing up medical transcriptions for doctors here displacing American medical transcriptionists who tend to be stay-at-home moms making ends meet, lawyers are doing contract review and document review that used to be the staple of young lawyers and those not from the best schools without good connections, and accountants are doing tax returns for Ernst & Young.

You can blame Obama or the Democrats, or Bush or the Republicans all you want. But that won't change the truth. They ALL are to blame for pandering to the special interests and corporations that pretend to wave the flag but in reality prefer profits over patriotism.

All the blame-gaming here is make me think about two rats in a ship, fighting each other and trying to score points while the ship slowly sinks from holes bashed in by the captain and his crew in red and blue.

In fact, I should say, anyone here who blames any specific President or political party admits to being blind to the truth and admits to not caring about the direction America is going, but would rather be a rat just trying to gnaw at the other rat.

XX of CA 6:34AM July 11, 2011

The STIMULUS FOR EMPLOYERS DIDNT HELP ME I HAVE LOST MY JOB BECAUSE OF IT . They HIRE EVERY MONTH TO GET THAT FREE MONEY AND CUT THERE REGULAR EMPLOYEES OUT SO WHERE DOES THAT GET US , MORE IN A HOLE THEN BEFORE . The government should fine employeres for this all the gov see is they are hiring people they better look and see what happened to there employees they are collecting Unemployment i dont need a degree to see this is costing more money and no one is getting any where with a job

Sharon of NY 6:56AM February 18, 2011

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