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Zacof AR10:34AM August 02, 2011
I work for a younger boss and have twice for the same one, each time he was promoted. Do I know more about our business and how we run it? Yes. Do I show it? Only when he wants an answer. I have always treated him as a peer and he treats me the same. We are professionals. I am older and knew coming into the job that I would retire within 15 years and I was not the future. I was able to reach a comfortable level or pay and responsibility and I remain as a "knowledge resource" for the boss. Call me Dictionary. I live to serve and have a decent retirement (which I lost in my first job of 25 years). He's the boss.
Bigg Doggof OH2:46PM January 12, 2011
I like to give a look of amusement to the abuse. I thank them for the negative commentary by stating that it makes me re-evaluate and acknowledge that, to the contrary, I'm pretty good at what I do. My younger colleagues treat me with deference and respect and come to ask me advice.
Many businesses are realizing that the "grey beards" are valuable because of their knowledge, experience, work ethic, productivity, etc.
I don't have to say anything because the first and second line supervisors will most likely never equal my documented accomplishments.
I get harassed a lot but, the bottom line is that if I leave, based upon my productivity and knowledge, there will be a whole lot of hurt and scrambling. One colleague said that if they really wanted to get rid of me, they would praise my skills to other managers.
Barryof CA5:30PM January 07, 2011
I'm 61, not taking any medications, and trying to get back into the workplace after being laid off last June.
I know it is not legal to ask someone their age. What I've finding, however, is that some on-line applications ask when I graduated from high school. Very disconcerting given the fact I still have a lot to offer. Why else would they want to know when I graduated from high school except to keep from interviewing me much less hiring me. I type 65 WPM, am great at grammar and spelling, have pretty good computer skills, I really enjoy people and make them feel at ease. I personally think I look good.
On my resume, I have left off my earlier years of employment and my 17+ years as a stay-at-home mom to hide my age. Then, when the on-line apps ask when I graduated from high school, I know I can't hide that and I don't want to lie. Too bad I feel like I have to hide anything because I'm proud of what I've done and how I'm living my life.
I enjoy the younger crowd, their energy and their creative ideas. I think we can enjoy each others company and that age shouldn't be a barrier. But, what do I know?
Frustrated in California
Lana Hutchisonof CA1:31PM October 24, 2010
It is important that older workers recognize their worth, but "remain sober in the enemy's camp," as the bible states. While older workers, in most cases, work because they need an income, the best that they can do is do their jobs well and stay away from the politics of the establishment. It is necessary to realize that you can no longer move and shake the routines of those individuals in charge, whether you think they are right or wrong.
I do not think that any professionals have been treated more unfairly than those in the field of education. The playing field changed almost overnight. Older teachers, especially those with health concerns requiring medication(diabetes, high-blood pressure, arthritis, etc.) that cost the insurance company money, were surplussed, or ousted after 20+ successful years on the job, thereby allowing the ecucational establishment to hire fresher, younger teachers at much less of an expense to the state retirement systems.
Mid-career educators moved into administration, whether ready or not. Some are down-right abusive to older teachers as they try to push them out. Others are more patient as they wait for the big exit.
When the whole field of education changed, older teachers were left to bear the brunt of the circumstances that all of this created. Teachers, themselves, were blamed for the condition that the furlough of older workers caused by the field of newly-hired workers. Those who were left in-tact are working quietly, trying to ease in a few more years until they are able to retire. Much of this is unfortunate, but it is being perpetuated from state to state, with a few states compassionately offering older teachers buy-outs.
karen wallsof LA1:27PM September 21, 2010
Lemans of MI, you hit the nail right on the head. I had the good fortune to retire from the rat race at 55, but of course, I got bored after 3 years and went looking for something to do. And like you, I found a great position which I was more than qualified for. I was interviewed by a person that was close to my age and started the job a week later. I was the oldest person in the area I worked in, and the campaign to get rid of me started the day I did. My "Boss" was a wet behind the ears punk with a MA in Business. He wouldn't even shake my hand when we were introduced! A few hours after I started the job, he came striding over and said that I was taking a job promised to one of HIS friends, and that I wouldn't be there long. I straightened up and told HIM that he was completely unprofessional, and that the company must have deemed me better qualified.
It was terrible. He constantly left stick notes on my computer screen criticizing everything I did, and yet I passed my evaluations with flying colors. When anyone had to use the bathroom, they went. When I did, there was another note saying I needed PERMISSION to leave my workstation! When I DID have a problem, he'd openly berate me in front of the whole place. Needless to say, after 4 months of taking his crap, I told him I'd give him what he was looking for and quit. Want to know what his response was? "You're tougher than I thought you'd be. I planned on shoving your aging ass out the door in two weeks."
Well, I'm back to being retired. It's idiots like this jerk of a kid that make it miserable for older workers. Now that I think about it, if I'd been 20 years younger, I'd have knocked him on his arrogant ass and quit when he wanted me to!
Ken Bof SD3:29PM September 01, 2010
When working with a younger boss,I find that it is best to let them do the walking and,talking.
vickiof KS7:12AM June 30, 2010
Maybe you should check your grammar too!!!
"LIFE EXPERIENCE, if we've been doing a job for years and years and years, and than we have someone in their 20's get hired to be our boss, fine, some of us don't want to be a boss, some of us just want to do the job we were hired to do, but when I have 20 years experience in my job and you come along and try to tell me HOW to do my job, than THAT I have a problem with..."
Please check the difference between THAN and THEN. In your sentence, "LIFE EXPERIENCE, if we've been doing a job for years and years and years, and THAN we have someone"....WRONG BRAINIAC!!! It should be THEN....same thing with "you come along and try to tell me HOW to do my job, THAN that..." WRONG again BRAINIAC....you need to stop talking like you know EVERYTHING because obviously YOU DO NOT!!!!!
Unlike then, than is not related to time. Than is used in comparative statements.
Then is used either as a time marker or with a sequence of events.
GOT IT NOW, MR KNOW IT ALL!!!!!??????
Passionof CA5:42AM June 25, 2010
I found my PLUM JOB in Customer Service, mortgage servicing 3 years ago for a local bank. I wanted this job more than any other I had ever held. If they want to get rid of you for whatever reason - they'll find a way. In my case, it was pushing to take more calls daily to satisfy some scorecard requirement. The majority of my customers were complimentary and satisfied with the assistance I provided, I passed all the update tests with over 90%, and I knew the material very well. My co-workers were cheating on calls by transferring the longer-type calls back into the queue for someone else to handle. They logged another call for themselves and the customer had to wait again for a Rep to assist them. Escrow and tax calls could be long calls, especially with new mortgages. Customers have no clue how it all works and they ask for a "breakdown" of figures on their new escrow analysis. No one wanted to take these calls - and somehow they got away with it. I did some research in the department and found out how they were cheating in other ways - but when I complained it fell on deaf ears. It's so grossly unfair that I lost that job - yes they let me go and claimed it was for "At Will Employment." H.R. said I wasn't doing the job - HOGWASH!! I've been unemployed since May, 2009, I have a B.A. and years of experience. This bank let go many of their seasoned workers, hired in younger people and promoted them to team leaders. They're not qualified to run a department - it costs the company a lot by hiring and firing so much. When you invest in an employee's future - you don't term the person and start all over again without losing money. And this fast, fast, fast work style creates mistakes, multiple call-backs from customers, and stress on the employees. My work is good - but I am not the road-runner, and I don't work at a frantic pace. This push-mania for faster work is inefficient. Younger workers have a lot to learn about handling people and running departments. It's more about if you fit in or not. And age discrimination is at the top of the list. My question is, "How can they get away with this?" They log every little item against you so they have a list of job discrepancies to show if any question arises. You can find errors among anyone's work if you daily nit-pik. Many times, it's a judgment call - you may handle something a little different than your team leader would - but there's no problem with the result. The customer was happy - but the company sees it some other way. The work place today is outrageous. There's too much psychology and analysis going on, and if companies are so paranoid that they have to monitor their employees so closely - they should not be in business. The older worker is more fair, more adept at worker handling and running a functional, happy department.
Lemansof MI4:38AM June 21, 2010
I had 12 years of teaching and restarted here in Houston as director of foreign language, all my ideas were hijacked by one of my former trainees when our boss changed. I am working under her now and she has a Master degree in foreign language I have a bachelor degree in business admin, It is going to be my fourth year, I have seen this happen to two of my former bosses, and you know what? this is life, I learned to roll with the punches, I was not even told I was being replaced. I am getting certified and going to study for a double doctorate in education leadership and another major I like I am middle aged, but I still think I have a lot to offer, no hard feelings I was sad I cried three times on my own. But I know better now, I just guard what I know, and do not do more than I am asked, but for my students whom I am passionate about to have them learn I do try my best, and in this world (I am christian) we will never be forever happy and rich and satisfied so I keep on reaching for what I like and moving on. I get along well with her, and my endproducts I no longer give them away...another of my plans is to design...and other smaller projects I am getting older but I will be resilient and retain my dignity, I am thankful I have a job, my former bosses did this, there will always be competition whether we like it or not, I just have to keep trying and yes the same thing can happen to me or her tomorrow again. Nothing is forever.
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Zac of AR 10:34AM August 02, 2011
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karen walls of LA 1:27PM September 21, 2010
Ken B of SD 3:29PM September 01, 2010
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